Well... as some of you know, we've spent alot of time and $$$ to try to determine what is wrong with Pebbles. The short & skinny of it is that it is all behavioral. We've tried a number of antidepressants on her which only made her more aggressive towards Silkie.... poor Silkie has taken a beating during all this, and she is now staying downstairs most of the time. :( I've tried every urine erasing formula in the world...doesn't matter...she just goes wherever....

We have tried to "re-train" her with her peeing problem....that has only gotten worse. She now does it right in front of me. My bedroom has become a urine litterbox. We have tried to keep all our bedroom doors closed, but then that amounts to bored cats, and more fighting and her peeing in our living room.

I've tried to ascertain if it stems from all the fostering. But I've noticed that during the times I do not have kittens, the same behavior is taking place. We tried keeping her in the only small room I have avail. with no carpetting, which is the bathroom in the basement....the same one the kids use and it is located right beside their room. She screamed all night...and peed in the corner instead of using her litterbox. So...that was a bust... I cannot keep her in there with the kids studying for exams right next to their room and her crying all the time...besides, everytime they'd open the door...zoom...she was gone.

I've done a ton of research on the subject...and last night I felt defeated. :bawling: I phoned the president of our org. to ask her if she had any words of wisdom. She herself has had to put down 3 foster cats and 2 of her own that would not stop urinating throughout the house....and that was after alot of behavior modifications. She told me that they can find no credible reasons for some cats that do this....they just do and there is no changing them. A well respected vet from one of our hospitals told her that cats that continually urinate around the house accounts for alot of the reason why they are put down....and there is sometimes absolutly nothing you can do to help them change.

I can't even tell you how I feel right now ... we feel totally defeated and totally helpless....I have another apt. with the vet tomorrow.... and I'm afraid there is not much left to do at this point....my vet feels it too. I'm not bringing Pebbles with me tomorrow... If I need to make a decision on putting her down...then I need to think about this long and hard. Do I just let her pee around and keep cleaning the spots and hope/pray one day it stops??? My poor Pooh...she seems to have such a lonely life...she never wants to join in play, nothing. She just seems like such an uphappy cat...and always has been that way..... :bawling:

Janice - was she one of your fosters? How old was she when you adopted her? That is one of the reasons why one of the friendly cats in the colony can't be adopted out. Even though she is very friendly, she refuses to use the litter box. At first she did and then as more time went on and she didn't go outside, She stopped all together. I let her return to her colony. She has been there for two years now. Of course the colony is in the wooded area behind my house and not close to any roads. They also have shelter.

I'm not sure what else you can do. My prayers are with you and pebbles.

No, Pebbles is not a foster. She and Smudgie were the first two cats we got from a pet store 7 yrs ago....they are littermates.

Someone from another site suggested that I take her and put her in a feral colony somewhere near me... or just turn her loose to an outdoor cat???? :mad: :mad: I just about ripped their head off for that comment.....Can you even imagine taking a 7 yr old cat, who's never been outdoors, and throw her out there to cope on her own??? Please..... :mad:

Janice, I'm so sorry someone made that comment! :(

I have no advice to offer. Just know that I am thinking of you and Pooh. :comfort: :hug:

Wow, the person who made that comment must be an incredible cat owner... :rolleyes:

I have nothing to offer except for :hug: - this must be so hard, I don't know what I'd do in your situation. :(

Oh Janice, I wish I had some sort of advice or wisdom to offer. All I have as well is this :hug: Have you ever considered re-homing her? I know its not a great option but maybe as a cat in a single cat household she may be happier.

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I was thinking the same thing. That could be a good option for poor Pebbles. I know it would be painful for you, but less so than having her put down.

I'm sending lots of :comfort: :hug:

:( We talked about that...but who would take her with this problem??? I can't give her to someone and not tell them??? And who wants a 7 yr old cat??? Nobody I know.... What if I put her up for adoption.... it could take literally years for someone to adopt her...we have some cats with slight health problems that have been with their fosters for 5-9 yrs..... :(

Has your vet considered the possibility of neurological problems? Cats can suffer from strokes and/or dementia, just as humans can... :(

Janice :hug: I am so sorry to hear that things with Pebbles aren't getting any better :( Like others have said, the only thing I can offer is support :hug: I was thinking the same thing as Gaby .... maybe re-home her. But, like you said, it would be very difficult to find someone that would be willing to take her in with her issues.
I wish there was more I could do for you :hug: :bawling: :hug: :bawling:

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I was thinking that maybe she needs to be an only kitty as Mel suggested; that could take care of her problem. Perhaps if she got into an only kitty home, she would stop peeing out of the box. It may not be instantaneous, but the new owner may be willing to deal with it. :wha:

I'm trying to think of things....I just feel so badly.... :bawling: :(

Janice, god will help you to make the right choice for your baby... You both are in my thoughts and prayers. :hug:

Janice, I'm so sorry. I know you have done everything you can think of.

I would be good if you could somehow experiment to see if she would stop in a house with no other cats. But I can see your point-anyone that would be willing to help you out and take in a troubled cat already has them in their home, which defeats the whole purpose of rehoming her.

Does she pee on carpet, or does she go on hard floors, too?

You have done everything you can for her. If you feel like this is your only out, I trust you and won't second guess you at all. I've known you long enough to know that this is the end of a very long road for you, and is truly your only option.

I just wish there were something I could do to help.

What about a no-kill shelter? Don't they take in problem cats? Or does 'no kill' refer only to what is considered to be adoptable?

God, Janice, this is breaking my heart. I can't imagine what it's doing to you.

Sending prayers and Hugs!

Janice -
Can you post Pebbles at several vet offices and about her condition?
They was an older cat that had similar problems listed, at my vets, and it stated this was the last option opened to the owners and they didn't want to, but they may be forced to put her to sleep because of this.

I called because my son was looking for an older cat and he doesn't have carpet in his house, just throw rugs. When I inquired about the cat, she had already found a home with someone who already had a cat that had the same problem.

Maybe you could try that. I am really sorry and I wish I knew something that could help. My heart is crying about this.

I'm going to try guys... I'm going to try to re-home her as best I can. I'm just walking around here crying for the past week...my heart breaks to even think that I have to put her down just cause she's peeing... it's such a stupid reason to me...This is when I wish I could really TALK to these animals. I'm going to my vets again this afternoon just to talk options over with her...but rehoming her will be at the top of my list. I've already put an SOS into my org. and see if there is anyway they can help me with rehoming her.

I don't think I want to go the "no kill shelter"... only because there are not many around my area, and I don't know how well she would do being locked in a gage for god knows how long???.... I dunno.... :wha: :wha:

Thanks for all your support...I really appreciate it...this is really breaking my heart... :bawling: :bawling:

:comfort: Aww Janice

:comfort: I'm sorry Janice. :hug:

:comfort: I'm so sorry you're going through this. :(

I'm not getting good feedback on rehoming her at all. Even if I personally meet and interview any possible people that would adopt her, after she is gone, she is their cat. If she starts peeing again, they can do whatever they please with her, including mistreating her, throwing her outside... a number of horror's has been brought to my attention, and they all stem from past experiences with different people within our rescue organization.

I guess I have to realized that alot of this comes from Pebbles being an unhappy cat and the peeing is likely a product from that unhappiness. This started very early in her life... perhaps she has some "mental health" issues. Her quality of life sucks...and now Silkie is living in our basement to avoid her attacks. Everything is progressing for the worse. It looks like I'm faced with no other option than to put her down. I don't even know how I'm going to do that... :bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

Janice :bawling: :comfort: :hug: :comfort:
I am so sorry :bawling:

Janice, I am so sorry. I wish I could be there to help you. I cannot begin to imagine the pain this is causing you.

Dang, I wish I could hug you in person.

We're here for you. If you need to talk or rant or cry, we will do the best we can to help.

We're taking her tomorrow at noon... :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: I can't believe I have to do this... :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: I'm going to take my sig. block away... I can't deal with seeing her there.... :bawling:

:comfort: :sad: I'm so sorry Janice... I'm sure you did everything you could... :kittyluv:

Janice...I'm so sorry. My heart breaks for you and Pebbles. :comfort: I hope this isn't too late, but have you considered a behaviorist?

I don't know of any behaviorist here in this city....and any info I've researched on this subject calls for the same behavior modifications... I've done them all. She is more aggressive than ever. She is not a happy cat, and her peeing is just a symptom of that... this has gone on too long for her now.... :bawling: :bawling:

Oh honey...I wish I could say/do something that would make this all easier on you. All I can do is just send lots of cyberhugs to you and Pebbles. :bawling:

I'm so so so sorry, Janice. I can't even begin to express how horribly sad I feel for you.

You're so strong, I don't know how I'd deal with that.

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:bawling: I'm so sorry Janice! :comfort: :hug:

I'm so, so sorry Janice. We're all here for you. :( :comfort: :hug: :hug: :hug:

Oh Janice....i'm typing thru tears....I hope by some miracle something positive happens soon!

Sending lots of love and prayers

I wish there was a miracle that would make her happy again... When Pooh passes over to the Rainbow Bridge today at noon, perhaps thats when she'll be happy again like she was when she was a kitten..... :bawling: :bawling:

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Janice, I am so sorry. You know we are here for you. :hug: :comfort:

:comfort: I'm sorry Janice

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Janice :hug: :comfort: I am so sorry.

:comfort: :hug: :bawling:
Tough decision.

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